Finally we get the truth from the mainstream media about the sinister nature of the subprime scam which has plunged our country into near financial collapse. Read the full Transcript. Excerpt Below:
How did the mortgage industry destroy itself and set off an economic collapse that ruined the finances of millions of Americans? Executives tend to hold themselves blameless, saying that no one could have seen the disaster coming.
Well, judge for yourself after you hear the story of Paul Bishop, who worked at the nation's second largest savings and loan. World Savings Bank was among the industry's most admired mortgage lenders. But Bishop says the kind of lending practices he saw were leading to a world of trouble that would ultimately result in billions in losses and a federal investigation.
What does Paul Bishop say he told executives at World Savings, three years before the crash?
"We're breaking the law, okay? We're breaking the law. You know we're breaking the law. I know we're breaking the law. What the hell do you think is going on here? You know, you're granting too many people loans who simply can't qualify," Bishop told 60 Minutes correspondent Scott Pelley.
Bishop's story is a rare inside look at forces that tore the economy apart, as seen by a plain-spoken loan salesman who is now suing World Savings, claiming that he was fired for telling executives what they didn't want to hear.
"I definitely talked to him about Enron. I said, 'We're sitting on an Enron.' This is…bigger than Enron. I mean, we’re doing four billion a month in loans. If housing drops, housing value drops, people start to default, you know? This is a nightmare. These people will not survive it," Bishop told Pelley.
Bishop was a mortgage salesman at World Savings San Francisco Loan Origination Center. He'd been a top salesman at IBM and spent years as a stock broker. Most everywhere he went, he had a reputation for speaking his mind and ruffling feathers. He joined World in 2002, in part, because of its history.
Bishop says the owners were Herb and Marion Sandler.
"And their reputation at the time was what?" Pelley asked.
"It was flawless, near as I could tell," Bishop said.
In fact, Herb and Marion Sandler were legendary. In 1963, they started Golden West Financial and grew to 285 branches under the name World Savings. The Sandlers' were known for careful, conservative lending. They've given away millions of dollars to charity and started an advocacy group for low income borrowers called the Center for Responsible Lending.
In 2006, just before the housing crash, the Sandlers sold their bank to Wachovia and pocketed $2.3 billion.
Trouble is, some of their money came from people like Betty Townes, who is financially ruined after being sold a series of World Savings mortgages she couldn't afford.
Asked how many times she refinanced, Townes said, "Well we refinanced practically every year."
World salesmen convinced Betty to refinance her mortgage four times in four years. She got about $20,000 each time. "Well, all I know that they told me this loan was best for me," she told Pelley.
But how could it be best when Betty's pension couldn't qualify her for the loans?
"They told me that they would go by my husband's payroll," she said.
"Even though he'd been laid off from the shipyard?" Pelley asked.
"No, he'd passed away," Townes replied.
[...]The loan World was selling was potentially risky. It's called an option ARM, but at World it went by the cheerful name "Pick-A-Payment." The monthly statement offered four different payment amounts that the homeowner could actually choose from. But, the lowest payment didn't even cover the interest on the loan. Deferred interest would add up month after month, leaving the homeowner farther and farther behind.
That's what happened to Betty Townes. World sold her four Pick-A-Payment loans, racking up $40,000 in fees and deferred interest for the bank. Now her full payment is larger than her monthly income.
"Hard to think of Betty without a home," Pelley noted.
"It’s horrifying to think of her without a home. It’s just unacceptable," Maeve-Elyse Brown said.
And she's not alone. Between 2003 and 2006, the total amount of deferred interest from World borrowers, choosing that lowest payment, jumped from $21 million to $1.2 billion.
"That’s the borrower saying to you 'I can’t make my payment' or 'I’m not making my payment.’ Now that was increasing at $100-million a month," Bishop said.
13 comments:
Paul Bishop? Tell me everything that you know about him, and why is is such a reliable source.
I 2nd that. A loan rep who speaks directly with company executives? It didnt happen. Mr. Bishop did not speak directly with Tim Wilson. If the loans were misleading, I call it fraud. Was the womans husbands income it stated to be the husbands pension which he was still receiving after death or as it a current job? Any bad loans received were due to lies from the borrowers or brokers. Who signed the 1003 and loan docs. You couldnt afford your home with us, you couldnt afford it with anyone else either. Who is wrong here? You lied about your income. What is misleading about this? Where do you think the leftover interest goes? I stand by every loan I signed. I have spoken out about problems with my office, but not the company in general snd I still have my job. World Savings was a great company. I was not bonused on volume, I got paid even if a loan was denied. Poor quality loans were denied.
If Paul Bishop didn't speak with Tim Wilson, why did Tim Wilson respond with a memo? And, yes, World's culture was famous for accessibility of senior management. If you worked at World in the an origination capacity, it's hard to deny that 'packaging' was par for the course, both retail and wholesale.
As someone who worked with Paul Bishop directly during his time as a loan representative for World Savings, I can say he is not a credible source. He was a volatile individual who joined the company after a series of professional and personal stumbles - shared by Mr. Bishop himself with anyone who would listen. He was bitter, at time verbally abusive to his support staff, and even inappropriate in his comments and conduct toward other employees. I find it difficult to believe his claim to have alerted senior management to bad lending as he spent most of his short career as a loan representative complaining loudly about his loan submissions that were declined due to the borrowers' poor credit history, or inability to prove ability to pay. This is an example of a professionally unsuccessful individual attempting to capitalize on the potential collapse of an industry. Who is taking advantage here? It is shameful that he is being given any public voice, much less at such a high level as 60 minutes. I hope his fifteen minutes of fame are over.
Tim Wilson responded by letter because there is a lawsuit pending. Packaging meant making sure the loan fit, otherwise dont send it. Packaging doesnt mean lying or committing fraud to get it approved.
I worked at World for several years. It was no secret throughout the company that the CA were way more lax than anywhere else. Banks are required by law to send disclosure packages to the borrower with all of the loan details. At World, the loan application was also sent the the borrower with the disclosures. For all internet broker loans, the income on the loan app (or 1003) was the income submitted to World's internet site by the mortgage broker (independant brokers not employed by World. The borrowers also signed the loan app at the closing. Long story short, the woman in the 60 minutes piece signed all of these documents, and received all of these documents, yet says she didn't know how the loan worked? She didn't consider the fact that using her husband's income wasn't HER income? She took $80,000 in cash out from 4 refinances? While the story didn't indicate who her loan rep is, or whether an independent broker was involved, at the very least: at what point does the borrower take responsibility for their own actions? This woman states on national TV that she lied about her income on a loan application. That's fraudulent, no? She claims she didn't know how the loan worked. Did she not read her disclosures? Why would you sign documents for the biggest and most important asset you have: your house, and not read any of the paperwork or question something that doesn't sound right? Either she's admitting to loan fraud, or that she's basically too stupid to have a loan. Many states even have a 3 day cooling off period for refinances. I can't say how that loan rep conducted business, because the piece didn't mention the rep's name. Then again, doesn't make sense for her to go to the rep who she claims defrauded her, rather, go to the bank ebcause they are the ones with cash.
World Savings was not a subprime lender. The title of this page is incorrect.
i know Tim Wilson, if there was shady business how come there all records say it wasn't, bishop made accusations and tim looked into there was no evidence just some idiot who needs fifteen minutes of fame
If there wasn't shady dealing going on, then why are they being investigated? Why did Wachovia go out of business? Wachovia was in great shape before this mess. Plenty of other big banks. And the fact that someone claiming to be an employee said that people are not able to talk directly to Tim? I also worked at World in HW, and could go up to the 10 floor where he worked and talk to him at any time. You also say that he is not reliable, but your claims are just hear say. But when you are trying to interview and you have World Savings on your resume, you have motive to lie and try to dis-claim people. Luckly, the truth is still getting out.
Why is it that everyone that I get a resume from puts Wachovia down under the employment, rather than World Savings? Is it because they are ashamed of were they worked and the "culture" of their employment there? Look at their LinkedIn postings, every last one says Wachovia when the company they actually worked for during that time period was World Savings.
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